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EithToday at 7:57 PM
Heya
are you guys aware of empowered imp not working correctly atm?
I just noticed the past week that when I've been using my spells to consume the proc, my spells go off but they don't crit, and the proc gets consumed

NimzoToday at 8:00 PM
it gives me +50% crit on the dev realm
you're expecting 100% i guess? i dont have a player patch right now so can't check tooltip

EithToday at 8:01 PM
its happening to me and my buddy that plays the same spec as me
well yeah it should be 100%
if u use the proc correctly

NimzoToday at 8:02 PM
i see people have been working on it, i'll see if i can figure out what's going on but most likely there's a change pending that'll get changelogged and pushed in the next few days

EithToday at 8:02 PM
wait WHAT

why is it 50%??

NimzoToday at 8:02 PM
haha there we go

EithToday at 8:02 PM
why in hell?
would u ever do that

NimzoToday at 8:03 PM
from what i can remember that change was made a while back
i forgot the exact reasoning behind it
can look into it but yeah, was like 2-3 months ago at least i'd guess

EithToday at 8:04 PM
that has to be the most dissapointing change to a talent that rewards skill lol

NimzoToday at 8:04 PM
off the top of my head i think it was related to some demonic synergy change? was ages ago tho so my memory is foggy

EithToday at 8:04 PM
i really do hope it doesnt stay like that

NimzoToday at 8:04 PM
ill look into it when i have time
bit busy atm

EithToday at 8:04 PM
yeah demonic synergy is 50%

NimzoToday at 8:04 PM
you should have a good amount of base crit anyway for pve i'd guess? so it's hardly a 50% nerf to the ability for you

EithToday at 8:05 PM
it would make it even more rng with empowered imp halved
no

NimzoToday at 8:05 PM
if you have 30% base crit in reality you're only being reduced from 100% to 80%

EithToday at 8:05 PM
its a huge loss
because you lose conflag crit
and conflag dot crit
which means ignite procs
its MASSIVE
once you use empowered imp proc on conflag (100% crit), your conflag initial hit and dot will be 100% crit
so it procs ignite a lot
which makes the spec so good

NimzoToday at 8:06 PM
yeah but emp imp stacks with your base crit chance, no?

EithToday at 8:06 PM
yeah but you dont want to stack crit
as conflag
lol
because you rely on empowered imp

NimzoToday at 8:06 PM
yeah  of course

EithToday at 8:07 PM
we all know how bad crit stacking conflag is in pve

NimzoToday at 8:07 PM
but you'l surely have more than 0% crit anyway, no?

EithToday at 8:07 PM
yes, but thats not the point

NimzoToday at 8:07 PM
nah, it was just a side point i was making

EithToday at 8:08 PM
adding more rng to a spec that already relied on rng (demonic synergy and imp crits) makes it annoying and unrewarding to play

NimzoToday at 8:08 PM
yeah haha, i remember that the aim of this change was to reduce rng
just can't remember specifics
will dig for it later

EithToday at 8:08 PM
thats really counterproductive
just like that other change months ago
that empowered imp proc gets consumed right after the cast finishes
rather than when the spell hits the target
so you cant get double crit on a projectile spell like soulfire and an instant cast like conflag

NimzoToday at 8:11 PM
that sounds to me like a good change haha
anyway man
like i said i'm in the middle of something else
i'd be happy to discuss this later
sorry i couldn't be of more help, but i was neither involved in design nor implementation of this change
there's only so much i can remember off the top of my head

EithToday at 8:19 PM
yeah i agree but when i talked wicky about that change months ago he told me because it would end up being a "dps increase" when it was quite the contrary, so it makes me wonder if the people making these changes have a good understanding of how these specs work in the first place in before making this changes
because this change alone might just make me swap spec because of how annoying and awkard/unenjoyable it would make the spec to play
also the fact that its not in the changelog for any reason makes it even more annoying, just like it has happened with countless of important changes in the past
anyways, thanks for answering