11:57 PM - Cygnus: you need to study some philosophy man, nowhere in the bible does it say that the most high is Omniescen or Omnipotent. Even the theory of it is flawed
11:58 PM - Cygnus: here's an example
11:58 PM - Cygnus: If god is omnipotent then he can make a rock thats so heavy that even he cant carry it
11:58 PM - Cygnus: think about that for a second
11:58 PM - thedarkfreak: that's a catch-22.
11:58 PM - thedarkfreak: by definition, "omnipotence" is the ability to do anything.
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: if He ran into a limit
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: it would be a limit self-inflicted
11:59 PM - Cygnus: but still a limit making omnipotence impossible
11:59 PM - Cygnus: for any being
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: wrong
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: if it's a self-inflicted limit
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: then it's not a true limit
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: if he's omnipotent, he could create anything
11:59 PM - thedarkfreak: but he'd be able to do anything, including lift anything
Saturday, April 06, 2013
12:00 AM - thedarkfreak: if he couldn't lift it, he's purposefully limiting his power
12:00 AM - thedarkfreak: and he can stop taht at any time
12:00 AM - Cygnus: No he's not purposefully limiting it, what if he actually wants to create a rock that even he cant carry
12:00 AM - thedarkfreak: what you said IS an interesting philosophical point
12:01 AM - thedarkfreak: omnipotence can't work against itself
12:01 AM - Cygnus: Yes it can, I just told you how
12:01 AM - Cygnus: cause at some point every being will set a limit on themselves
12:02 AM - Cygnus: it doesnt matter if its self inflicted or not
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: if it's a self-imposed limit
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: it's a limit that can be removed at any time
12:02 AM - Cygnus: yes, you can get over thos elimits
12:02 AM - Cygnus: but think even deeper
12:02 AM - Cygnus: its an infinite loop
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: but it still wouldn't be a problem.
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: for humans, with limited capacity for understanding, yes
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: but for someone who could control anything
12:02 AM - thedarkfreak: space, time, matter
12:03 AM - thedarkfreak: such a paradox would be trivial
12:03 AM - thedarkfreak: you can't say soemthing goes against a rule because the rules don't exist for you
12:04 AM - Cygnus: But no where in the bible does it say that god is omnipotent or omniescent, it says that the most high is all powerful and all knowing. but that doesnt mean that the most high is INFINITELY powerful and all knowing
12:04 AM - thedarkfreak: uh
12:04 AM - thedarkfreak: what?
12:04 AM - thedarkfreak: all powerful = can do anything = omnipotent
12:04 AM - thedarkfreak: all knowing = knows everything = omniscient
12:05 AM - Cygnus: I mean there's different ways to look at it though
12:05 AM - Cygnus: it's probably even beyond my understanding
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: but that's all being interpreted through a human's limited mind and knowledge
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: of COURSE you can't understand it
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: because YOU'RE not omniscient
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: neitehr am I
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: I can't say I udnerstand it
12:05 AM - thedarkfreak: because I'm not God
12:06 AM - Cygnus: but see humans created those definitions not the most high
12:06 AM - Cygnus: so who knows who is right and who is wrong
12:07 AM - thedarkfreak: well, I'd say God's right
12:07 AM - thedarkfreak: but all accounts in teh Bible make God come across as a dick
12:07 AM - Cygnus: That's his word though
12:07 AM - thedarkfreak: so either God really is a dick, or people "interpreted" the Bible to make him a dick
12:07 AM - Cygnus: passed on to his disciples
12:07 AM - thedarkfreak: I'll believe it if he says it straight to me
12:07 AM - Cygnus: why is god a dick?
12:07 AM - thedarkfreak: but with everything in the Bible, including how misogynist he is
12:08 AM - thedarkfreak: either he really IS a misogynist prick, and women shouldn't aspire to anything because fuck women
12:08 AM - thedarkfreak: or the Bible was..."revised"
12:08 AM - thedarkfreak: and therefore is not the pure word of God
12:08 AM - thedarkfreak: but the Word of Man seeking his own ends
12:08 AM - Cygnus: It never says that women shouldnt aspire to anything
12:08 AM - thedarkfreak: no, just that they'll never be equal to a man
12:09 AM - Cygnus: The most high only says that a woman is equal to half a man
12:09 AM - Cygnus: and that's true
12:09 AM - Cygnus: Woman were born from mans rib
12:10 AM - thedarkfreak: I'll beleive that when God says as much to Me
12:10 AM - thedarkfreak: NOT his supposed "Word" that's had thousands of years to be edited and revised
12:10 AM - Cygnus: that will never happen
12:10 AM - thedarkfreak: like people are still doing to day
12:10 AM - thedarkfreak: then I WILL NEVER BELIEVE HIS WORD
12:11 AM - Cygnus: How can you be in balance with yourself and with the world if you arent loyal and faithful to something?
12:11 AM - thedarkfreak: I will NOT believe that he created humans with such great minds, but arbitrarily decided that half of them are screwed
12:11 AM - thedarkfreak: you know what?
12:11 AM - thedarkfreak: I DO believe in God.
12:11 AM - thedarkfreak: I just don't believe he's as much of an asshole as you say he is.
12:11 AM - Cygnus: So you believe in the most high but not his word?
12:12 AM - thedarkfreak: I'm willing to believe God exists.
12:12 AM - thedarkfreak: I'm NOT willing to trust that what we have today is his unedited, unabridged Word.
12:12 AM - thedarkfreak: the very fact that people TODAY are trying to "revise" the Bible
12:12 AM - thedarkfreak: and that those who controlled the Bible in the past were well knwon for stamping out what they didn't agree with
12:12 AM - Cygnus: It's translated, i mean I guess it may have been edited at some point the only way o really find out is to become a scholar and read hebrew
12:13 AM - Cygnus: so if you want to do that go ahead
12:13 AM - Cygnus: cause the original hebrew scriptures are unedited
12:13 AM - Cygnus: and untranslated
12:13 AM - thedarkfreak: pfft
12:13 AM - thedarkfreak: I'll believe that when I get a time machine and see them being written.