plagiarism in NIWA

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<Mega1> |3rian
<Mega1> You never told me that Reddit could be home to such...colorful people.
<|3rian> indeed
<|3rian> it's a funny place to make people mad
<Mega1> Also
<Mega1> "Another tier list should be made"
<Mega1> "another matchup chart should be created to replace the laughably incorrect current one."
<Starman> I dare not speak of *those* subreddits
<|3rian> nah Mega1 i dont care about tier lists anymore
<Mega1> Help, I don't know how to edit the Wiki, so we should just ditch and go to the next one so that I can continue to do nothing.
<Mega1> That's all I'm getting from their discussions.
<|3rian> i just want a collection of character threats and a matchup thread
<Starman> The ones that are home to the deranged freaks
<Mega1> "Fuck it, let's go to Liquipedia so that we can do less"
<Mega1> Also
<Mega1> I like how
<Mega1> http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/Fox
<RingtailedFox> wtf is liquipedia?
<Mega1> is just copied from ours for the most part
<Mega1> So I"m going to go there and call them out on their shit
<DoctorPain99> lol that's totally copied from us
<Mega1> So
<Mega1> who wants to go over there and say that plagiarism is bad
<Mega1> and that they should feel bad
<RingtailedFox> comment out shit like <!--- if you copy this, you suck cocks -->
<RingtailedFox> lol, registration's disabled
<RingtailedFox> but they have an irc channel on quakenet.org
<Mega1> Fucking love that
<Starman> but some people like to suck cocks regardless of plagiarism
<RingtailedFox> #liquipedia
<RingtailedFox> i'm in
<DoctorPain99> tell them they have no tech skill because they are nintendo
<|3rian> Doctorpain99 they have bracket format we cant match :p
<Mega1> That's part of their programming.
<|3rian> i like the how they record the games and stock count
<Mega1> And that's about all they ave.
<Mega1> Everything else on every Liquipedia page is pretty much craptastic in comparison to their respective main wikis.
<|3rian> i made an account so i could eventually edit melee stuff
<|3rian> but i dont really care about documenting my knowledge anymore
<Mega1> You gonna call them out on their shit?
<RingtailedFox> i'll ask them why they're plagiarizing our wiki
<|3rian> ill just share it if people asks
<Mega1> I mean, criticism is one thing.
<|3rian> nah too much conflict for me
<Mega1> But plagiarizing ain't the way to go.
<|3rian> im not in a position to fire shots
<Mega1> Brian's scurred.
<DoctorPain99> someone should tell them they have no tech skill because they are nintendo
<|3rian> im only a content provider
<|3rian> administrative stuff i never wanted
<|3rian> i only demand respect for my knowledge thats it
<Mega1> So basically, you don't give a shit
<|3rian> yea
<RingtailedFox> wait you guys don't care that they're copying our shit?
<RingtailedFox> then why did you ask me to go there?
<Mega1> Brian doesn't
<Mega1> cuz he's Brian
<RingtailedFox> brian, we need consistency
<RingtailedFox> if you are fine with them plagiarizing, then resign.
<|3rian> RingtailedFox like I said Im not good with administrative stuff. i only solve problems that lies with incorrect info
<RingtailedFox> then don't say you are fine with people plagiarizing our shit
<|3rian> what i can do is rewrite the liquidwiki articles
<RingtailedFox> you can try it
<RingtailedFox> you gotta sign up at teamliquid.net
<RingtailedFox> first
<|3rian> i did
<Mega1> http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/Talk:Fox
<|3rian> they have a forum i participate in for smash
<RingtailedFox> sbould i tell them that we're interested in re-writing their articles so they're not complete duplicates?
<Mega1> Oh no, I don't give a shit about that
<|3rian> beats me ask mega
<Mega1> They have a bunch of Reddit folks that would gladly help them out.
<Mega1> So, tough luck.
<RingtailedFox> really
<RingtailedFox> mega doesn't ccare either
<DoctorPain99> this wiki is dumb lol
<Mega1> You're not really understanding the whole thing that we're going at.
<Mega1> We don't want them to plagiarize.
<|3rian> Doctorpain99 not enough knowledgeable content providers with time
<Mega1> But we, in general, shouldn't have to support them so that they can be us, but with better tournament pages because of unique features.
<RingtailedFox> you just said you don't care if they plagiarize or not
<Mega1> Bro, do you even read?
<RingtailedFox> yeah, i do
<Mega1> I, for one, would not tie in Smash Wiki to this just so that we can rewrite out stuff for them.
<StarCraft> Oh shit, no registration.
<Mega1> I'd rather that they just figure out how to WIki on their own.
<RingtailedFox> <Mega1> Oh no, I don't give a shit about that
<Mega1> "sbould i tell them that we're interested in re-writing their articles so they're not complete duplicates?"
<Mega1> >re-writing articles
<Mega1> I am not going to tie us into rewriting their articles without having an actual discussion about it with the other Wiki members.
<Mega1> Also
<Mega1> In case you didn't see
<RingtailedFox> [23:46] <tofucake> i spoke with arrian, and he said it was fine so long as we credit ssbwiki where copies are made
<Mega1> "But fun fact: blatantly plagiarizing off of Smash Wiki's content is probably not the way to go."
<Mega1> Then they can directly say it to my face, but eventually get around to fixing their stuff.
<RingtailedFox> is what tofucake says true?
* [arrian] End of WHOIS list.
-AuthServ- User with nick arrian does not exist.
<Mega1> I don't know an Arrian
<DoctorPain99> Legally, yes
<Mega1> So no, he didn't talk to Toomai or anyone.
<Mega1> He can technically copy our stuff as long as he gives us credit.
<DoctorPain99> Ethically, probably not
<RingtailedFox> so tell him "you had to get permission from toomai, not 'aarian'?"
<Mega1> But really? Talk with us about that.
<Mega1> Tell him that he shouldn't be a doucher.
<Mega1> Misquote the "Rome wasn't built in a day" quote too.
<RingtailedFox> he says aarian told him everythign was cool and to copy away
<DoctorPain99> >copy away
<DoctorPain99> these guys are literal shitheads
<DoctorPain99> who the fuck is this "aarian"
<RingtailedFox> i told him "yeah... it had to be consensus, and that guy is like the janitor of the place... he had no authority to say copy everything'
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<RingtailedFox> he means |3rian
<RingtailedFox> who just ran away
<RingtailedFox> known as aarian on TeamLiquid
<Mega1> That man has no spine, I swear.
<RingtailedFox> no wonder he bolted
<DoctorPain99> oh so Brian told them they could copy shit?
<RingtailedFox> i say fire him
<RingtailedFox> yeah
<RingtailedFox> no wonder he kept sayign he doesn't care
<RingtailedFox> fire that fucker
<DoctorPain99> the fuck
<Mega1> He'll talk stupid shit about Brawl because it's an opinion.
<RingtailedFox> he's "aarian" on their site
<Mega1> But given something like this, he just runs.
<RingtailedFox> http://pastebin.com/MzeGfe2u
<Starman> wow
<Starman> that's low even for him
<Starman> like
<Starman> hello? there's staff here you need to go over this with
<RingtailedFox> yeah
<RingtailedFox> he's fired
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<DoctorPain99> I don't see a user called Aarian
<Mega1> I wonder why.
<Mega1> Thanks Reddit users
<Mega1> You guys led us to realize that they're blatantly plagiarizing, and that Brian doesn't give a shit
<RingtailedFox> aarian on teamlkiquid
<Mega1> DP, you...get to contacting tofu guy whenever you can get his attention somehow
<RingtailedFox> just... it has to be consensus by the higher-ups (people a rung-up from me, basically... i'm just the messenger... like 'chief janitor' or 'chief technical engineer')
<Mega1> I'm gonna try to get Toomai/OT up and active
<Mega1> Brian's not anything on Wiki besides Melee fanatic.
<RingtailedFox> toomai's blaming me
<RingtailedFox> for being the whistleblower
<Mega1> You act like he'd actually punish someone for revealing the operation.
<Mega1> As if he benefits from this.
<RingtailedFox> if toomai's fine with it, i'm voting to suspend or remove smashwiki from NIWA
<RingtailedFox> [11:57:06 PM] Toomai Glittershine: We knew about Liquipedia for months. We asked them about partnership.
<RingtailedFox> is this true?
<RingtailedFox> or is toomai lying yet again?
<DoctorPain99> We knew about them
<Mega1> Smash Wiki is staying with NIWA< end of discussion.
<RingtailedFox> [11:57:21 PM] Toomai Glittershine: Just fifteen minutes ago I was told that indeed yes they were stealing from us.
<RingtailedFox> [11:57:37 PM] Ringtailed Fox: partnership, and stealing? which is it?
<DoctorPain99> But I don't think we knew they were stealing
<DoctorPain99> I was unaware until just now
<Mega1> Interesting that you have him on a private messenger.
<RingtailedFox> i have him on skype
<Mega1> Note to self: Remind Toomai to get his Steam messenger checked.
<RingtailedFox> remind toomai to lrn2admin
<DoctorPain99> ^
<Mega1> Remind Toomai to add us to Skype.
<DoctorPain99> I think I have him on Skype but I never use Skype
<RingtailedFox> i told him to get over here
<RingtailedFox> so i don'thave to keep relaying things back and forth
<Starman> i saw using skype as kinda pointless since it was kind of made for mics and webcams
<DoctorPain99> anyway, how do I find "Aarian" on teamliquid
<Starman> (neither of which i have)
<Oscuritaforze> Isn't Semicolon staff over on teamliquid.net?
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<RingtailedFox> yeah
<RingtailedFox> we asked |3rian why he didn't care about this, and he logged off.
<RingtailedFox> he kept sayign "look, i don't care if others plagiarize our wiki. what's the big deal?"
<Toomai> Do you have logs?
<RingtailedFox> sure
<RingtailedFox> http://pastebin.com/MzeGfe2u
<RingtailedFox> that's from tofucake
<Mega1> >Great! If you're in charge, I can relay this to you then.
<Mega1> "in charge"
<RingtailedFox> aarian being brian
<RingtailedFox> no one else was taking the initiative, only bitching about plagiarism
<Mega1> It woulda been nice if Brian stayed around to man up while we were getting shit done, but whatever.