[05:20:56] <hi> I used to write guides on how to play gamecube games off your USB stick on your Wii. I wrote a whole guide and helped people for a 600 page thread and I don't remember any of it.
01[05:21:13] <Kurausukun> Dolphin pls
[05:21:23] <hi> Dolphin can't play all GC games
01[05:21:33] <Kurausukun> What can't it play?
[05:21:49] <hi> just look at the game list. It couldn't play a specific few that I wanted to play.
[05:21:56] <hi> specifically 007: everything or nothing
01[05:22:31] <Kurausukun> What version are you using? The site seems to imply it plays fine
[05:22:40] <hi> ehh?
01[05:22:52] <Kurausukun> What Dolphin version are you talking about
[05:22:53] <hi> I'm checking the site now
[05:23:00] <hi> I haven't used dolphin since '10
[05:23:13] <hi> where's the compatability list?
01[05:23:22] <Kurausukun> Then you've missed thousands of compatibility and speed improvements
01[05:23:30] <Kurausukun> https://dolphin-emu.org/compat/
01[05:23:56] <Kurausukun> If you download 4.0-7143, everything you want to play will most likely work
[05:24:39] <hi> Hmmm
[05:24:54] <hi> So why was I helping people play gamecube games on their wii with a usb stick
[05:25:00] <hi> you know, backups
01[05:25:07] <Kurausukun> Not everyone has the specs to run Dolphin
[05:25:27] <hi> even with a computer more powerful than a Wii, a Wii will run if flawlessly everytime
01[05:25:53] <Kurausukun> You need something much more powerful than a Wii to emulate the Wii
[05:26:06] <hi> Yea but I doubt that was why I was doing it
01[05:26:29] <Kurausukun> Plus Dolphin lets you increase the resolution you render it at
[05:26:34] <hi> maybe because people wanted to A. play it without issue B. play it on the TV C. play it using legitimate controllers.
01[05:26:52] <Kurausukun> You can use the official Gamecube controller adapter with Dolphin
01[05:27:10] <Kurausukun> And if you're using a laptop, you can play on TV using an HDMI cable
[05:28:13] <hi> yes but it's more of a hassle
[05:28:28] <hi> and not all laptops powerful enough to play dolphin have hdmi out
01[05:28:41] <Kurausukun> I've yet to come across one that doesn't
[05:29:00] <hi> srsly?
[05:29:05] <hi> hdmi outs are pretty new
[05:29:22] <hi> last time I checked
01[05:29:48] <Kurausukun> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[05:29:58] <hi> So anyway, I'll have to test it myself, but I no longer have a laptop
[05:30:06] <hi> I replaced it with a gaming desktop and a tablet
[05:30:18] <hi> and my TV is a whole 10,000 meters away so I can't use an hdmi out
01[05:30:26] <Kurausukun> Well, I would still recommend using Dolphin if you have a gaming desktop
[05:30:33] <hi> yea but I want to play on tele
01[05:31:06] <Kurausukun> relocate laptop or TV... or you're SOL I guess
[05:31:13] <hi> SOL?
[05:31:21] <hi> I told you I don't have laptop
01[05:31:25] <Kurausukun> shit out of luck...
01[05:31:33] <Kurausukun> You're making me feel old
[05:31:51] <hi> Ʊ ͜ Ʊ
[05:32:21] <hi> anyway, I GUESS I'll try to play my favourite GC game
[05:32:24] <hi> Oh
[05:32:37] <hi> also another reason to use the wii to play gamecube backups is the compatibility with your memory card
[05:32:48] <hi> you can play games and save them to the memory card and play old saves too
01[05:33:14] <Kurausukun> I guess if you really needed that specific a setup, then yes
[05:34:56] <hi> and Dolphin just seems so illegitimate
[05:34:58] <hi> like illegal
[05:35:04] <hi> but on the wii it can be legla
01[05:35:11] <Kurausukun> Not illegal at all if you dump your own games
[05:35:21] <hi> and not everyone can dump your own games
[05:35:32] <hi> don't you need a specific DVD drive to rip Wii games?
01[05:35:49] <Kurausukun> If you have a Wii, an SD card and an external HDD, anyone can dump Wii and GC games
[05:36:18] <hi> oh
[05:36:39] <hi> well actually that's how I do it, but then you would be using your Wii to play Wii games on your PC instead of theo ther way around and why would anyone want to do that?
01[05:37:01] <Kurausukun> Because Dolphin is much better than a Wii
[05:37:07] <hi> how so?
01[05:37:31] <Kurausukun> Higher resolutions, AF, AA, potentially faster loading, hacks for 16:9 widescreen and 60fps depending on the game
[05:37:57] <hi> And why would I want any of that?
01[05:38:12] <Kurausukun> ...why wouldn't you? It makes the games look and play better.
[05:38:45] <hi> And why would I want the game to look and play better?
01[05:38:53] <Kurausukun> You're asking "why would I render a game at 1080p when I could render it at 480p instead?"
[05:39:08] <hi> Do you not know how sharp 480p is?
01[05:39:18] <Kurausukun> Not very sharp
01[05:39:26] <Kurausukun> especially compared to 1080p
[05:39:52] <hi> no 480p is sharper
[05:40:01] <hi> You just don't understand
01[05:40:10] <Kurausukun> clearly not
[05:40:25] <hi> you see, at 480p, more pixels on your screen make up one pixel of the game than in 1080p, so the quality per pixel is higher.
01[05:40:43] <Kurausukun> ...that's not how pixels work
[05:40:53] <hi> It is
[05:41:14] <hi> Each pixel is 32kb, so if we have more pixels per rendered pixel we are multiplying the information density
[05:41:18] <hi> so it's actually a higher quality than 1080p
01[05:41:21] <Kurausukun> I'm honestly having trouble discerning whether or not you're being serious at this point
[05:41:30] <hi> 1080p is stuck on 32kb colour per pixel
[05:41:58] <hi> while 480p is 144kb
[05:42:35] <hi> Also it is clearly
[05:42:37] <hi> *clearer
01[05:42:51] <Kurausukun> Pixels don't just have sizes associated with them, the only measure of that is the color bit depth
[05:43:36] <hi> But people are always talking about pixel density
[05:43:45] <hi> 480p is great balance between number of pixels and density per pixel
[05:44:24] <hi> So can Dolphin render at fullscreen 480p for me?
01[05:44:42] <Kurausukun> "pixel density" is what most people are actually talking about when they say "resolution"--the number of pixels you can fit into the screen
[05:44:50] <hi> on my gaming desktop I have GTX 980 + 4.4 Ghz i7
01[05:45:12] <Kurausukun> No, what I mean is the game is rendered internally at a higher resolution, not just upscaled
[05:45:31] <hi> Yes, but the number of pixels on the screen are used better when they are together rendering one virtual pixel. It's hardware multiplying. Just like overclocking
01[05:45:50] <Kurausukun> If you just stretched the image then it would look clearer on a 480p display, but that's not what's happening here
[05:46:11] <hi> it's clearly because each small point is bigger
[05:46:15] <hi> so you don't miss anything
01[05:46:34] <Kurausukun> I'll take some screenshots, wait just a second
[05:47:19] <hi> ok
[05:47:45] <PiSquar3d> Great image quality would be 2x 1080p internally down-scaled to 1080p. It's sort of like free AA, enhances image quality.
[05:48:02] <hi> what?
[05:48:06] <hi> internally downscaled?
[05:48:07] <hi> what is that?
[05:48:30] <PiSquar3d> *2x 1080p internally, down-scaled to 1080p
[05:48:58] <PiSquar3d> Commas can make or break a sentence :P
[05:50:43] <hi> I never understood downscaling
[05:50:46] <hi> it makes my games look worse
[05:51:08] <hi> how can I have a higher resolution on my 1080p screen? How does that make sense?
01[05:51:24] <Kurausukun> You can't, but the way it works makes things less jagged
[05:51:58] <hi> how is that possible?
[05:52:02] <hi> I'm not getting any more pixels
[05:52:06] <hi> now I have twice the information per pixel
[05:52:19] <hi> which is the opposite of me maing 480p on a 1080 screen
[05:52:59] <PiSquar3d> Think of the Wii U gamepad, everything is downscaled to 480p resulting in free AA
01[05:53:11] <Kurausukun> very true
[05:53:27] <hi> wat
[05:53:39] <hi> but you can't get more than the pixels can give
[05:54:14] <hi> so how can it be smoother at all?
[05:55:17] <PiSquar3d> Audio is kind of similar as well, a lot of people will record their music at insane sample rates and downsample the audio
[05:55:28] <hi> uggh
[05:55:34] <hi> I'm never going to understand how that works
[05:55:46] <hi> I'm using 480p on my 1080p screen right now
01[05:55:48] <Kurausukun> you could just google it
[05:55:50] <hi> and I'm not
[05:55:52] <hi> missin
[05:55:52] <hi> a
[05:55:53] <hi> thing
[05:56:29] <PiSquar3d> There will be more information (or pixels) on your screen if your render it at 1080p
[05:57:21] <hi> yes but it's about quality, not quanitity. And I do have the pixels
[05:57:30] <hi> it's just that more of them are rending the same thing simultaneously
01[05:57:32] <Kurausukun> a pixel is a pixel
[05:57:39] <PiSquar3d> The quality will be the exact same per pixel
01[05:57:43] <Kurausukun> If you have more of them, the image is sharper
[05:57:49] <hi> Then why is the picture bigger? It has to be more quality
[05:58:30] <hi> The fineness is expanded, not contracted like in downsampling
[05:58:56] <PiSquar3d> Also, stretching 480p to 1080p might result in rounding errors
[05:59:10] <hi> plus I get mad fps when I play online games
01[06:00:02] <Kurausukun> Well the fps gain is certainly true, but that's because your quality is lower
[06:00:11] <hi> I think you mean because there is less waste
01[06:00:17] <Kurausukun> I just took screenshots, I'm going to upload them in a second
[06:01:02] <hi> you should download gyazo
01[06:01:12] <Kurausukun> don't even know what that is
[06:01:17] <hi> just drag a box over something and it will upload instantly to a gyazo.com/17129298441
[06:01:41] <hi> http://gyazo.com/538fedec04b7301a1b4be7e47b3e4680
01[06:01:41] <Kurausukun> I'm using Dolphin's internal screenshot feature
[06:01:43] <PiSquar3d> stretching 480p to 1080p (if that's what you're doing) is like playing 55 fps video on a 60 fps monitor, frames will double and make the video look weird, same with stretching 480p to 1080p, pixels will double up where it wasn't needed.
01[06:01:53] <Kurausukun> ^this
[06:02:18] <hi> what do you mean double up
[06:02:22] <hi> why would that happen?
01[06:02:34] <Kurausukun> Because there aren't enough pixels to fill the screen
[06:02:43] <hi> but there are less pixels because of 480
[06:02:57] <PiSquar3d> because, 480p doesn't naturally stretch to 1080p IIRC
[06:03:09] <hi> You mean it doesn't divide into a whole number
01[06:03:15] <Kurausukun> Yes
[06:03:19] <PiSquar3d> It would have to be exactly 2x/3x/4x etc. the resolution
[06:03:28] <hi> hmmm
[06:03:38] <PiSquar3d> Same with fps
[06:03:45] <hi> the ratio between 480 and 1080 is 6.25 which is fine
[06:03:49] <PiSquar3d> 30 fps on a 60 fps monitor is perfectly fine
[06:03:50] <hi> actually, 6.75
[06:03:55] <hi> so 6.75 pixels per pixel
[06:04:22] <PiSquar3d> Other way around.
[06:04:35] <hi> but in a game like a first person shooter, it won't matter since you'll be moving around a lot. So if the pixels are changing then it's unnoticeable
01[06:04:45] <Kurausukun> not really the case
[06:04:51] <hi> since the image is always changing, all it does it add to the illusion that is static images flashing
[06:05:08] <PiSquar3d> Have fun shooting long range w/ 480p
01[06:05:19] <Kurausukun> I'm uploading the images as we speak
[06:05:22] <PiSquar3d> "Hmmm, is that pixel in the distance the enemy?"
01[06:05:28] <Kurausukun> lol
[06:05:35] <hi> the pixel is made bigger though so you can tell
01[06:05:44] <Kurausukun> No, it's duplicated
[06:05:49] <PiSquar3d> Yeah, so the enemy is a bigger square
[06:05:53] <hi> it is spread across 6.75 other pixels
[06:06:07] <PiSquar3d> cool, one 6.75 big one coloured blob
[06:06:09] <hi> so the enemy is better this way
01[06:06:11] <Kurausukun> here, download this http://www.mediafire.com/download/tlliixkq8ufxk0k/Comparison.zip
[06:06:20] <hi> couldn't you just upload them to imggur?
[06:06:22] <PiSquar3d> *6.75 pixel coloured blob
01[06:06:31] <Kurausukun> I could have, but I didn't feel like it
[06:06:35] <hi> why not?
01[06:06:41] <Kurausukun> Is it that much trouble to unzip a file?
[06:06:46] <PiSquar3d> 6.75 pixels are going to look the EXACT same
[06:06:54] <hi> the exact same as what?
[06:07:12] <PiSquar3d> as eachother
[06:07:20] <PiSquar3d> they will be all one colour
01[06:07:38] <Kurausukun> If we're assuming it's only one pixel then yes
01[06:07:55] <Kurausukun> it's just gonna become a rectangle
[06:08:12] <hi> so I looked at the comparison
01[06:08:16] <Kurausukun> Yes
[06:08:44] <hi> And one of them is definitely better than the other
01[06:08:51] <Kurausukun> Right
[06:08:58] <hi> but the difference is very slight
01[06:09:13] <Kurausukun> Then your eyesight is very poor, OR you're not looking in fullscreen
[06:09:26] <hi> on fullscreen I can barely see a quarter of the 1080p image
01[06:09:39] <Kurausukun> ....what?
[06:09:51] <hi> on fullscreen the 480 image takes it up nicely
[06:09:57] <hi> but I have to scroll a lot for the 1080p
[06:10:00] <hi> you must have a big TV
01[06:10:06] <Kurausukun> This is on my laptop
[06:10:12] <hi> yes big screen
01[06:10:22] <Kurausukun> It has nothing to do with screen size
01[06:10:33] <Kurausukun> Why would you need to scroll in fullscreen?
[06:10:46] <PiSquar3d> If you view a 1080p image on a 1080p monitor in fullscreen it will take up the whole screen
01[06:10:52] <Kurausukun> Does your desktop not have a 1080p monitor>
[06:11:00] <hi> but I am using 480p resolution to get max quality
[06:11:14] <PiSquar3d> lol
[06:11:16] <hi> I am using a 144hz 1080p monitor
01[06:11:26] <Kurausukun> Jesus christ you're wasting it
01[06:11:35] <Kurausukun> Turn it to 1080p and then look at the images in fullscreen
[06:11:36] <hi> No. I get all the frames
[06:11:38] <PiSquar3d> 144hz... why
[06:11:51] <hi> what do you mean why?
[06:11:54] <hi> more fps
[06:11:57] <PiSquar3d> Why such an arbitrary number?
[06:12:02] <hi> it's not arbitrary
[06:12:05] <hi> it's standard
[06:12:13] <PiSquar3d> Why not one that is divisible by 60?
[06:12:16] <hi> the standard is 60hz and 144hz
01[06:12:17] <Kurausukun> Not important right now. Turn your monitor to 1080p, and look at the images in fullscreen mode.
[06:12:18] <hi> trust me it's standard
[06:12:27] <hi> it's more standard than 120hz
[06:12:29] <PiSquar3d> It shouldn't be
[06:12:35] <hi> it should be
[06:12:39] <hi> because 144hz is more than 120
[06:12:50] <hi> so we don't need to lose 24 hz because of people with OCD
01[06:12:55] <Kurausukun> THIS IS NOT AN IMPORTANT ARGUMENT AT THE MOMENT
01[06:13:14] <Kurausukun> Just do what I said and tell me your thoughts
[06:13:20] <PiSquar3d> Have fun w/ videos doubling up on frames looking weird and jittery
[06:13:22] <hi> okay so you want me to turn my monitor back to 1080p
01[06:13:25] <Kurausukun> yes
01[06:13:32] <Kurausukun> then look at the two images in fullscreen
[06:13:35] <hi> ok
01[06:13:40] <Kurausukun> thank you
[06:13:55] <hi> having a 144hz refresh rate does not change anything when a game has a refresh rate of 60 or less
[06:14:06] <PiSquar3d> Yes, it does -_-
[06:14:15] <hi> most games you play will be dynamic anyway, shifting between 30fps to 120 fps depending on what's going on
[06:14:27] <hi> having a 144hz monitor just makes sure you are getting every frame when it appears
[06:15:00] <PiSquar3d> Not really
[06:15:19] <hi> If you are playing a game on high settings, you can average maybe 40 fps if it's intense
[06:15:28] <PiSquar3d> If you have a monitor that is 60hz than your games should be locked at 60fps or lower
01[06:15:30] <Kurausukun> All of my games are stable at 60...
[06:15:36] <hi> but if you play on low settings sometimes you get more than you ask, like 80 fps
[06:15:48] <hi> but those 20 extra frames are wasted. You can't see if since your monitor is only 60hz
[06:16:02] <hi> having a 144hz monitor lets you see the extra smoothness
[06:16:09] <PiSquar3d> Who cares, anything past 60 is retarded
01[06:16:12] <Kurausukun> ^
[06:16:16] <hi> are you serious?
[06:16:24] <hi> Why do you think anything past 60 is retarded>?
01[06:16:27] <Kurausukun> Have you looked at the images
[06:16:31] <hi> I looked
[06:16:33] <PiSquar3d> Can you legit tell the difference between 80 fps and 100 fps?
[06:16:36] <hi> Yes, I can
[06:16:41] <hi> you probably havn't experienced it before
[06:16:41] <PiSquar3d> GG.
[06:16:47] <hi> because you are used to 60 hz monitors
[06:17:13] <hi> 60hz isn't the be all and end all. It's just the best you've seen because you've limited yourself
[06:17:33] <hi> There is a great difference, especially at the max 144hz
[06:17:33] <PiSquar3d> I'm used to 30/20 Fps at the moment, been playing a lot of GCN and N64 games... and watching YouTube videos @30fps
[06:17:54] <hi> Yes, see you are getting frames constantly below 60hz
[06:18:02] <hi> but I have a powerful machine that constantly gives me above 60hz
[06:18:04] <PiSquar3d> I do notice a difference between 30 and 60 though
[06:18:16] <hi> Yes, the difference between 30 and 60 is more obvious than 60 and 120 though
[06:18:27] <hi> But it is noticeable
[06:18:37] <hi> Once you are used to the higher refresh rate you can tell at a glance
[06:18:55] <hi> I remember when I played Wind Waker for the first time. I didn't know it was 30 fps
[06:19:00] <hi> until I got used to 60 fps games
[06:19:02] <hi> and went back to it
[06:19:04] <hi> and I was like oh my gosh
[06:19:13] <hi> it's the same with 144hz
[06:19:14] <hi> anyway
[06:19:18] <hi> back to the 480 vs 1080
[06:19:25] <hi> And one is definitely sharper than the other
01[06:19:33] <Kurausukun> Yes
[06:19:41] <PiSquar3d> more frames = a greater load on cpu/gpu
[06:19:57] <hi> I would have to limit my gpu to make it output 60 fps
[06:20:10] <hi> with no cap I get my 144hz
01[06:20:11] <Kurausukun> Also true. Once you get that high, you need a crazy powerful setup if you played at 1080p
[06:20:24] <hi> but 480 gives you quality and frames
[06:20:29] <PiSquar3d> IF you played at 1080p, lawl
01[06:20:35] <Kurausukun> It gives you frames, not quality
01[06:20:42] <Kurausukun> You JUST said one image looked sharper
[06:20:43] <hi> no more pixels per pixel
[06:20:45] <hi> Yes
01[06:21:11] <Kurausukun> Then it's higher quality
[06:21:15] <PiSquar3d> 1080p has more pixels, that's all there really is to it
01[06:21:22] <Kurausukun> Yes.
[06:21:26] <hi> the 1080p was sharper, but the 480 was crisper. Also, my browser and all my programs only take up a quarter of the screen now
[06:21:44] <hi> tbh there's not much difference
[06:21:51] <PiSquar3d> >_>
[06:21:53] <hi> maybe you should try 144p
[06:22:26] <PiSquar3d> Yeah, no difference between HDMI and A/V either
[06:22:43] <hi> well HDMI is better because it's one cable
[06:22:47] <hi> unlike A/V
[06:22:52] <hi> it's just more convenient
[06:22:53] <PiSquar3d> I'm o.k with interlaced frames @ 480x640
[06:22:59] <hi> interlaced?
[06:23:11] <PiSquar3d> 480i, interlaced
01[06:23:43] <Kurausukun> Not necessarily true, A/V is analogue
[06:23:43] <PiSquar3d> each frame only renders every second line, or something.
01[06:23:51] <Kurausukun> HDMI is digital
[06:24:11] <hi> oh
[06:24:14] <hi> analogue is better than digital
01[06:24:20] <Kurausukun> Not in this case
[06:24:22] <PiSquar3d> Not really...
[06:24:33] <hi> that's becuse HDMI has more digital than A/V's analogue can digitize
01[06:24:33] <Kurausukun> Also what the fuck does "crisper" mean if not "sharper"
[06:24:41] <hi> crisper like a potato chip
[06:24:54] <PiSquar3d> kek
01[06:25:01] <Kurausukun> topkek
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[06:25:43] <PiSquar3d> We've just been spooked by mr skeletal, post in this thread or you will get no milk for your bones
[06:25:57] <hi> when you bite into a potato chip, it is nice right? not like nails in the mouth
[06:25:58] <hi> nails are sharp
[06:26:07] <hi> so potato chip is better than nails
01[06:27:11] <Kurausukun> But that has nothing to do with video
[06:27:39] <hi> it is just an analogy my friend
01[06:27:55] <Kurausukun> But the two things you are comparing are not analogous
[06:28:03] <hi> They are
[06:28:11] <hi> you can put them both in your mouth, even at the same time
[06:28:13] <hi> I wouldn't recommend it though
01[06:28:15] <Kurausukun> How is eating a nail like rendering at 1080p
[06:28:21] <hi> because nails are sharp
[06:28:25] <hi> and potato chips are crisp
[06:29:08] <PiSquar3d> Tides go in, tides go out; you can't explain that.
01[06:29:18] <Kurausukun> teehee
[06:29:32] <hi> I thought that is related to the phase of the moon, the rotation of the earth and the distance from the sun
[06:29:38] <hi> so it's very explainable
[06:29:43] <hi> with regards to many things
[06:30:12] <PiSquar3d> bill o'reilly
01[06:30:20] <Kurausukun> my favorite
[06:30:21] <hi> he is somebody. I don't relally know
[06:30:30] <PiSquar3d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3AFMe2OQY
01[06:30:57] <Kurausukun> Our point is that neither your analogy nor your argument make sense
[06:31:07] <hi> Have you tried a potato chip before?
01[06:31:27] <Kurausukun> I actually have, believe it or not
[06:31:31] <hi> It is quite satisfying.
[06:31:41] <hi> So you know that they are crisp
01[06:31:45] <Kurausukun> Sometimes
[06:31:45] <hi> Now do you know that nails are sharp?
[06:31:54] <hi> you have potato chips that aren't crisp?
01[06:32:06] <Kurausukun> No, I meant the satisfying part
01[06:32:12] <Kurausukun> Yes, nails are sharp
[06:32:15] <hi> what's not to satifys?
01[06:32:26] <Kurausukun> Sometimes the flavor is undesirable
[06:32:44] <hi> Hmm
[06:32:50] <hi> I only eat Lays branded
[06:32:55] <hi> I don't know any other
[06:33:04] <PiSquar3d> You know what else is sharp? Sharpies. You know what I like to huff? Sharpies. What could be better than huffing sharp Sharpies, my friends?
01[06:33:17] <Kurausukun> Kitten huffing forever
[06:33:23] <hi> huffing crisp potato chips
01[06:33:47] <Kurausukun> We've gotten way off topic
[06:34:30] <hi> I don't think we are too far
[06:34:31] <PiSquar3d> Potato chips, as crisp as they are, have created the up-rise in obesity in America.
[06:34:37] <hi> hahaha
[06:34:46] <hi> the cause of the uprise in obesity is due to many factor
[06:34:53] <PiSquar3d> Mmmm, eat that cancer =3
[06:34:57] <hi> Do not put the blame on my friend the potato chip
01[06:35:00] <Kurausukun> 480P IS CAUSING CHILDHOOD OBESITY
01[06:35:12] <Kurausukun> QUICK, TELL FOX NEWS
[06:35:12] <hi> maybe not
[06:35:30] <hi> maybe 480p will only make you want to look at the screen longer
[06:35:31] <PiSquar3d> 480p has more pixels per pixels per colour
[06:35:46] <hi> Yes!
[06:35:50] <hi> So you understand now
[06:36:01] <hi> This took a long time but now I am glad
01[06:36:04] <Kurausukun> But 1080p has less fat per gram
[06:36:15] <hi> maybe, if you compare it to fat
[06:36:33] <hi> so I am going to celebrate your understanding with potato chips
[06:36:49] <hi> 12 hours from now we should eat potato chips at the same time
[06:36:52] <hi> can you do this?
[06:37:00] <PiSquar3d> I'm going to celebrate with a smoke
[06:37:11] <hi> that is a waste of potato chip
[06:37:13] <hi> you should eat instead
01[06:37:19] <Kurausukun> I'm going to celebrate by huffing kittens
[06:37:28] <hi> that is impossible, no?
[06:37:52] <hi> So anyway. glad we cleared up the resolution thing
[06:37:57] <hi> but you guys got less serious as we went along
[06:38:05] <PiSquar3d> No, I'm going to smoke a sharp cigarette
[06:38:14] <PiSquar3d> Not a crisp one
[06:38:31] <PiSquar3d> crisp ones cause obesity
01[06:38:33] <Kurausukun> I always huff the sharpest of kittens as well
01[06:38:45] <Kurausukun> I have to watch my cholesterol after all
[06:38:47] <hi> You guys are silly
01[06:40:03] <Kurausukun> I take pride in it
[06:40:16] <hi> So anyway, now I want to try out 144p
[06:40:30] <hi> Kurausukun: can you get a screen shot of 144p vs. 1080?
01[06:40:50] <Kurausukun> Dolphin can't go lower than native resolution i.e. 480
[06:41:04] <hi> WHAT?!?
[06:41:08] <hi> that's a shame
[06:41:56] <hi> Why can't it go lower?
01[06:42:09] <Kurausukun> Because most people aren't as retarded as you
[06:42:23] <hi> Why would you out of the blue insult like that?
01[06:42:42] <Kurausukun> Because I honestly thought you were trolling up to this point
[06:43:04] <hi> why?
01[06:43:27] <Kurausukun> Because it's just so unthinkable that someone would honestly believe something that goes against common sense so much
[06:43:52] <hi> it's much more common sense that a bigger pixel is easier to see
01[06:44:05] <Kurausukun> There's no such thing as a "bigger" pixel
01[06:44:18] <Kurausukun> A pixel, for a given monitor, will always be the same size
[06:44:21] <hi> so we make all the small pixels comprise a larger pixel. In this case 6.75 pixels
01[06:44:40] <Kurausukun> No, we duplicate the pixel, leading to jagged edges and bluriness.
[06:45:03] <hi> It would be less jagged if it were bigger
[06:45:09] <hi> 1080p is much more jagged
[06:45:29] <hi> like a nail
01[06:46:11] <Kurausukun> I still don't understand how you have not comprehended that my 1080p image looks better than my 480p image
[06:47:45] <hi> because with 480p, I can see each pixel better
[06:47:51] <hi> while in 1080p, the pixels are much harder
01[06:48:20] <Kurausukun> The pixels are the same no matter what you do. What you are calling "bigger" pixels are just more pixels
01[06:48:36] <Kurausukun> Hang on, I can lower the resolution of that 1080p image to 144p
[06:49:54] <PiSquar3d> If you want to see your games better than you would need a monitor that is physically bigger
[06:50:19] <hi> 480p spread out on 1080p screen is like magnification
[06:50:22] <hi> so you see better
[06:50:23] <hi> that is why
[06:51:01] <PiSquar3d> Depends.
[06:51:48] <PiSquar3d> If you are talking about running windows in a lower resolution, then yes, the desktop, browser's etc. will appear much bigger
01[06:52:03] <Kurausukun> But at the same time much less detailed
[06:52:59] <hi> it's not less detailed. It's just spread out so that everything is more distinguishable
[06:53:05] <PiSquar3d> As for games... Nope.avi
[06:53:49] <hi> if the pixels are more distinguishable because they take up more space, more power to the player
01[06:54:00] <Kurausukun> Here's what that 1080p image looks like at 144p
01[06:54:01] <Kurausukun> http://imgur.com/X1FxZXL
01[06:54:10] <Kurausukun> Knock yourself out
[06:55:02] <hi> still could be better
01[06:55:38] <Kurausukun> hang on
[06:55:42] <PiSquar3d> You can distinguish each and every low res pixel and there individual, that's cool and all, but it doesn't help distinguish objects and the such
[06:56:00] <PiSquar3d> *and their individual color
[06:56:59] <PiSquar3d> In that picture mario could be one big red square or a nice outline of pixels that define the character itself making him distinguishable from a red blob
[06:57:30] <hi> but that's just poor game design
[06:58:07] <PiSquar3d> ... Exactly, that's why game designers up the resolution so you can see clearly
[06:58:21] <hi> bad move
[06:58:28] <hi> anyway. I'll head to bed now
[06:58:41] <hi> thanks for the foobar bit
01[06:58:44] <Kurausukun> wait
01[06:58:51] <Kurausukun> I'm about to upload a 50p image
[06:58:54] <hi> ok
01[06:58:54] <Kurausukun> Do you want to see it
[06:58:58] <hi> sure
01[06:59:29] <Kurausukun> http://imgur.com/RD5PFYn
[06:59:45] <PiSquar3d> Oh gawd
01[06:59:50] <Kurausukun> Exactly
01[07:00:05] <Kurausukun> It's like time travelling to the 20s and adding color
[07:00:26] <PiSquar3d> That thing in the bottom left is a blob... Oh wait, it's a Mario icon. Bad game design/10
[07:00:28] <hi> hmmm
[07:00:30] <hi> I see the problem
[07:00:33] <hi> this image
[07:00:35] <hi> is definitely bad
[07:00:39] <hi> much worse than before
01[07:00:41] <Kurausukun> orly
[07:00:56] <hi> This isn't the type of 50p that I'm talking about
01[07:01:04] <Kurausukun> What other fucking type is there
01[07:01:35] <Kurausukun> 50p is 50p
[07:01:37] <hi> You see, in this image, multipled pixels get congealated into one which makes the image look blurry, as opposed to each pixel from the 1080 image being expanding to take 6.75 pixels and pushing all the other pixels aside
01[07:02:11] <Kurausukun> That's called zooming in
[07:02:17] <hi> yes magnifying
01[07:02:23] <Kurausukun> No, zooming in
[07:02:38] <hi> zooming in and magnification are the same for 2D images
01[07:02:56] <Kurausukun> Why would you not want to see the whole image
[07:03:08] <hi> to get more quality of the less image
01[07:03:33] <Kurausukun> If you up the original resolution and then zoom in, it will be even higher quality
[07:03:34] <PiSquar3d> stretching 480p to 1080p doesn't inhance an already low res image
[07:03:39] <PiSquar3d> It's still 480p
01[07:03:42] <Kurausukun> Correct
[07:03:52] <hi> no we are not stretching 480p to 1080 p
[07:03:58] <hi> we are stretching 1080p to 480p
[07:03:59] <PiSquar3d> you are
01[07:04:07] <Kurausukun> That's called downscaling
[07:04:14] <hi> no you are thinking in reverse
[07:05:12] <PiSquar3d> Setting windows to 480p mode and running games in 480p is stretching a 480p image across a 1080p monitor
[07:06:53] <PiSquar3d> It's just a 480p image, the less pixels the less information there is to see.
[07:07:53] <PiSquar3d> If you wear glasses and you take them off, the world around you looks much less detailed and worse.
01[07:08:20] <Kurausukun> Now that's a good analogy. Especially since I do wear glasses
[07:08:37] <PiSquar3d> It's harder to distinguish objects because there is less detail/information being sent to your brain
[07:08:40] <hi> it only appears less detailed. But the details blend into each other
01[07:08:50] <Kurausukun> That means you're losing detail
[07:08:59] <hi> You're not losing detail, you're losing information
01[07:09:10] <Kurausukun> That's the same thing in this case
[07:09:24] <hi> i.e. the level of detail is the same, but the brain does not interpret it in the same rich way
[07:10:45] <PiSquar3d> It's more like "the level of detail can reach a certain point but your eyes cannot see such rich detail and information".
[07:11:12] <PiSquar3d> 480p is like limiting yourself by taking your glasses off
[07:11:17] <hi> Well, I mean, you're not seeing any less. The same amount of light is going to your eyes. You just prefer a pretty flower than a blurry flower
[07:11:25] <hi> it's not any less detailed, just doesn't make as much sense to the brain
[07:11:34] <PiSquar3d> *eyes
[07:11:50] <PiSquar3d> It's not a problem with the brain, generally
[07:12:23] <hi> Well focus is systematic and can be simplified to an equation. Why the brain doesn't compute this when bad eyes is beyond me
[07:12:26] <hi> anywa
[07:12:28] <hi> I will go to bed now
[07:12:29] <hi> good night
01[07:12:50] <Kurausukun> No, your brain is fine. People need glasses because the focal point of the eyes can wander. So we use glasses and contacts to refract the light in such a way that the light rays properly converge on the eye's focal points
[07:13:03] <PiSquar3d> You are seeing less, a blurry flower (480p). You see more, a pretty flower (1080p)
[07:13:12] <hi> yes, but the refraction of the light is a systematic function that acts on the light
[07:14:01] <hi> You're seeing the same. It's like looking at the white snow on a television. You're actually seeing a very detailed picture, but it looks like nothing to you because it doesn't MEAN anything to you
[07:16:01] <hi> a blurry flower is less of a flower, but more of a blurry flower, you get what I'm saying?
[07:16:18] <hi> They don't take up any more or less space
[07:16:20] <PiSquar3d> Would "white snow" be more detailed on a 1080p tv or 480i tv?
[07:16:41] <hi> it would be more detailed on 1080p because of the nature of white snow
[07:17:00] <PiSquar3d> What?
01[07:17:08] <Kurausukun> Yeah, what?
[07:17:32] <hi> what's with the whats?
01[07:18:22] <Kurausukun> Literally nothing you say makes sense, that's what
[07:18:31] <PiSquar3d> so, you are telling me that native 1080p isn't as good as native 480p?
[07:18:49] <hi> it depends
[07:19:00] <hi> since 480p only because better when scaled upwards
[07:19:19] <PiSquar3d> It's the same scaled up
[07:19:25] <hi> Anyway. I must go
[07:19:29] <hi> good bye
[07:19:35] <hi> thanks for the chat
[07:19:38] <hi> I'm sure we all learned something today
[07:19:41] <PiSquar3d> 1 red pixel looks the same in 1080p
[07:19:58] <hi> Yea but I'm talking about where that 1 red pixel gets to take up 6.75 pixels instead
[07:20:00] <PiSquar3d> it's only now 1080x1920 red pixels
[07:20:20] <hi> the examples that Kurausukun gave me were not good, because they did not make the pixels more but blurred them together
[07:20:40] <PiSquar3d> Yeah, it takes up 6.75 pixels now, same as increasing the pixel size of a 480p monitor
01[07:20:45] <Kurausukun> That's what happens when you downscale
[07:21:01] <hi> anyway, we can talk about this later.
[07:21:02] <hi> see you
02[07:21:05] * hi (Mibbit@900e1a.fb6066.823b42.5196f4) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
01[07:21:11] <Kurausukun> HOLY SHIT
01[07:21:16] <Kurausukun> THAT WAS MAGICAL
[07:21:17] <PiSquar3d> DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
01[07:21:31] <Kurausukun> FUCK
01[07:21:35] <Kurausukun> MY FUCKING MIND
01[07:21:39] <Kurausukun> IS FULL OF FUCK