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randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
I still haven't even made the button because jfkslajfdlsajedsowigfb
17:35
slackerSnail
I've thought of self-modifying routines to a slight degree
17:35
Lumage☆☆☆
why is everything shit
17:35
slackerSnail
but mostly about code injection
17:35
calc84maniac
But yeah, if I want to do another CHIP-8 emulator
I won't have to write my compiler on the PC
(Transferring a CHIP-8 program over modem shouldn't be *too* bad... they're like 4KB or something)
17:36
slackerSnail
a befunge compiler will be a fun but insanely frustrating challenge
befunge to SB code will be very interesting
17:37
calc84maniac
I'll be back later, going to go drown my sorrows in Smash
17:37
ArcPh1r3
bye
17:37
slackerSnail
o/
18:21
slackerSnail
because then if they don't listen it's their fault and we can make them feel bad
18:21
Lumage☆☆☆
It really should work in the newest safari though
I'm going to ask them for a bunch of information so at least it seems like we're trying to fix things
18:22
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
yeah but a lot of people seem to want to use old browsers and consoles
And it should at least kind of work on there
But it doesn't work at all
18:22
slackerSnail
really it's not our fault
18:22
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
(I'm talking about the chat server)
18:22
slackerSnail
the devices should be ready to work
this is 2015 jeez
Welcome to the SmileBASIC Source chat, ArcPh1r3
You received 4720 coins for the 1-hour reset. You now have 4870 coins
18:23
slackerSnail
if they can't use old shit then they need new software or they're left behind
or we can take secret option E
18:23
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
wii u doesn't work
18:23
slackerSnail
we operate both this site AND the wikia until this site is stable enough
18:23
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
new 3ds doesn't work
I can't
I can't make the site stable enough
18:23
slackerSnail
nintendo has a terrible track record with browsers
much of our userbase should be using modern browsing so it's a waste of time to just drop everything and leave
18:24
Lumage☆☆☆
yeah but they worked before
18:24
ArcPh1r3
don't tell me you're seriously considering dropping the site
18:24
slackerSnail
he is considering
18:24
Lumage☆☆☆
so it's not acceptable
18:24
ArcPh1r3
after the hell you've put yourself through to get this far
18:25
Lumage☆☆☆
hell isn't good enough
We have A DAY to make it usable
and it isn't
18:25
slackerSnail
it's usable for most people, and that's good enough for day one
18:25
Lumage☆☆☆
No, it isn't
18:25
slackerSnail
you aren't going to give up when there's only 17 hours left
18:25
Lumage☆☆☆
Do you see those three people that just registered
18:25
slackerSnail
I won't let you
18:26
Lumage☆☆☆
Tell me why they aren't in chat.
They're all broken or lost
18:26
ArcPh1r3
tell me why we're all in chat if it's so unusable
it's NOT YOUR FAULT
18:26
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
because we're using modern browsers
18:26
ArcPh1r3
that's no reason to pack up and leave
18:26
Lumage☆☆☆
yes it is
18:26
slackerSnail
this is only DAY ONE
there's time to improve
18:26
Lumage☆☆☆
No
It has to be better than this
18:27
slackerSnail
Oh, so once SB comes out site development is automatically over
18:27
Lumage☆☆☆
no one will use the site if they can't
18:27
slackerSnail
you know what lumage
18:27
Lumage☆☆☆
And they'll expect it to work
18:27
slackerSnail
i'm tired of your pessimistic bullshit
most of it works for most of the userbase
that's fine for now
18:27
Lumage☆☆☆
I'm tired of your optimistic bullshit
18:27
slackerSnail
did you expect day 1 to go down perfectly?
18:27
Lumage☆☆☆
When I see a site that doesn't work for me
18:27
slackerSnail
because I didn't
18:27
Lumage☆☆☆
I give up and leave
18:28
slackerSnail
fine, ignored
18:28
ArcPh1r3
he's not even being overly optimistic
18:28
slackerSnail
if you aren't being rational then shut up
the more people come here, the more testing we get so we can improve
"it doesn't work day one" is A LOT of software
18:28
Lumage☆☆☆
We can't just say "oh people can't use the site? Well I can, that's good enough."
18:29
slackerSnail
we can improve AFTER release, it's not a crazy idea
18:29
Sparky
alot
18:29
Lumage☆☆☆
But it's hardly usable
18:29
ArcPh1r3
it's very usable
18:29
slackerSnail
yeah, "hardly usable"
I can hardly fuckin use this why am I here
CJ, you did a great job
18:29
ArcPh1r3
i'm all for pessimism but you're just being irrational
18:29
slackerSnail
don't listen to fishfuck over here
18:30
Lumage☆☆☆
Because you happen to know how to update your browser
18:30
Sparky
jeez
18:30
slackerSnail
don't waste your effort and just leave, that's what a quitter does
ask yourself
"What would Shia do?"
18:30
Sparky
-.-
18:30
slackerSnail
HE WOULD JUST
DO IT
18:31
Sparky
But, what would Aihs do?
18:31
slackerSnail
imsorry that meme wasn't appropriate
18:31
Sparky
She wouldn't do it.
18:31
slackerSnail
lol where's CJ
18:31
ArcPh1r3
>spend months creating a kickass website
>give up because someone can't figure out how to update their browser
18:31
Sparky
NICE MEAM
18:31
slackerSnail
alright you guys have 17 hours to make a decision
don't disappoint me
18:31
Sparky
Yes
No
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
the easiest is to disable https
18:32
Lumage☆☆☆
Yeah but someone had problems with CHROME
18:32
Sparky
And maybe
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
It's 1 dollar per month wasted
18:32
Sparky
C-chrome??
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
And I don't care
18:32
Lumage☆☆☆
disable https
18:32
slackerSnail
yes
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Yeah well
18:32
Lumage☆☆☆
it'll screw up all these links
18:32
slackerSnail
I've been saying this how many time?
18:32
Sparky
um
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
No it wont'
18:32
Sparky
none
18:32
slackerSnail
the links don't fucking matter lumage, the site working does
18:32
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
The server can automagically redirect from https to http
18:32
Sparky
b7
18:32
Lumage☆☆☆
not internal
oh ok
18:33
slackerSnail
we don't need security that badly, who's gonna attack us
18:33
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Yes, it can do it for both internal, external, anything
nginx is amazing
18:33
slackerSnail
it's not like wikia had any
18:33
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
that's true
wikia didn't have https
18:33
slackerSnail
I mean it's pretty stupid to go back to HTTP when you've only been secure for less than a day
18:33
Sparky
G Major
G major is a high note, yes?
18:33
bluesun
https could be a user option? but at that point what's the point
18:33
slackerSnail
but why stay secure if it doesn't work
18:33
ArcPh1r3
yes
18:34
bluesun
some browsers complain about passwords on http though I think
18:34
Lumage☆☆☆
er what's 'webcrypto'
18:34
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
it never complained on development
where do you see that lumage
18:34
slackerSnail
FF did a few times in the console
18:34
bluesun
but even say vbulletin is plain http
^
18:34
slackerSnail
"insecure forms"
18:34
Lumage☆☆☆
it's a thing
18:34
slackerSnail
or something
18:34
Lumage☆☆☆
um
18:34
bluesun
FF does in the console
18:34
Lumage☆☆☆
html5 or something
18:34
slackerSnail
but it's just a console thing
18:34
Lumage☆☆☆
nvm
18:34
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
ugh your website is expected to have https
That's the problem
18:34
slackerSnail
who cares what other people expect
18:35
Lumage☆☆☆
Me?
18:35
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
No, I mean browsers
18:35
slackerSnail
the user expects it to work, not to have an encrypted security
18:35
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
The WWWC
Eventually it'll probably just be a requirement
18:35
slackerSnail
the user is the bottom line right now
that's an issue for the future
18:35
Lumage☆☆☆
okay yeah
all these fuckers don't support webso--
18:35
bluesun
api.browsershots.org/png/original/47/4753a986c809c411cb9dd3ea9dfe5989.png
18:36
Lumage☆☆☆
wait that can't be true it worked on iphone what the hell
18:36
slackerSnail
they support sockets but not on secure
so https is the death of us
18:36
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
no, hang on
They all support wss
I checked
18:36
bluesun
I'm just posting random screenshots, ignore me in this
18:36
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Wii u, 3ds, old browsers
18:36
slackerSnail
then what the fuck is the problem
they must have an incomplete spec
18:36
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
That's the problem: I have no idea
The server is just saying "I can't decrypt your header"
18:37
slackerSnail
it worked on insecure so we should go back to the way it was when it worked
when in doubt, revert until it works again
you have 17 hours
this is crunch time
18:37
Sparky
youtube.com/watch?v=Kdp4NHWr7G8 2:20-2:45
Jeeezz
He is so high
18:38
slackerSnail
I'm sure you can do it in half the time
You threw together this entire website, why waste it?
18:38
Sparky
"Yeah"
18:38
Lumage☆☆☆
well you see
18:38
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
because it's literally just a forum and we're literally just two people
18:38
Lumage☆☆☆
the CSS is disgusting at this point
I can't edit things effectively
18:38
Sparky
You can do it CJ!
18:39
Lumage☆☆☆
Programs don't really work
18:39
Sparky
""
18:39
slackerSnail
there's actually many more than 2 people here
18:39
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
This is why people use tools to construct the website
18:39
Lumage☆☆☆
the styling obviously sucks
18:39
slackerSnail
I don't see your point
18:39
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
ugh fine no https
18:39
slackerSnail
no matter how you look at it, just throwing it away is a wasted effort
yay I'm a great negotiator
victory for smilebasicsource
18:39
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
I feel like I already wasted SO much effort in making something that doesn't work
18:39
slackerSnail
but it did work
18:40
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
The web is the shittiest place in the whole world
18:40
Lumage☆☆☆
look at the bug reports thread
18:40
bluesun
what does the registration form use, since that's obviously a websocket
or am I confused... nm
18:40
slackerSnail
next time you do anything maybe don't use https
it'll be a requirement eventually but at that point everything will support it
18:41
Lumage☆☆☆
...
18:41
Sparky
youtube.com/watch?v=tvqKOIoh-XY The ending sounds like a frog croaking maybe :>
18:41
Lumage☆☆☆
There shouldn't be anything wrong with https
18:41
slackerSnail
well there is
18:41
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
No, it breaks the chat
I've already debugged everything. For some reason, secure chat is a broken pile of shit
18:41
slackerSnail
so don't use it
18:42
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Yeah well we can't mix secure browsing with insecure chat, because fucking browsers
18:42
slackerSnail
if you want the rest of site to be secure then route the port through insecure or something
18:42
bluesun
oh xmlhttprequest bah yes I was confused
18:42
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
So no https. We're killing a whole town because one person has aids
18:42
slackerSnail
yeah sure think about it like that
18:42
bluesun
is there another site which can be tested on 3ds etc that is known to use secure websockets
18:42
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Yes, I already tried
It's just us
18:42
bluesun
since that might give an idea of what could be wrong
x.x
18:43
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
This is why it's so frustrating
18:43
slackerSnail
I blame the library of course
18:43
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
wss seems to work for many browsers I've tried on a computer
18:43
slackerSnail
"Wait, it just happened."
18:43
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
And then it just doesn't work anywhere else. IDK
But if I go to a testing website, they all work
18:43
Sparky
Does Wikia use websockets?
18:43
slackerSnail
no
18:43
bluesun
I don't see anything wrong with it, YET.
18:43
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
It's like the wii u doesn't trust our cert
18:43
Lumage☆☆☆
wikia uses socket.io
18:43
bluesun
Wait, it just happened.
18:44
slackerSnail
what does that even mean
18:44
bluesun
might be from an authority that's too new?
18:44
Sparky
socket.io/slack >grin
>smirk
18:44
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
It's from an old authority
It's very trusted. It's comodo or whatever
18:44
slackerSnail
it's def not worth it to throw away an entire site because secure didn't work
18:44
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
It's like the oldest one in the book lol
besides verisign
18:44
bluesun
x.x
18:44
Sparky
x~x
18:45
slackerSnail
it's really starting to seem like the library's problem
18:45
bluesun
is there the full chain of certificates? pprobably unrelated but I remember working with someone else who had an issue as they were just using a certificate for the end user site
18:45
slackerSnail
maybe this piece of shit library is just a piece of shit
18:45
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
Yes the whole chain is there
18:45
slackerSnail
fuck this library, you found another one right
18:45
Lumage☆☆☆
Should I add the browser garbage to about hten
18:45
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
mmm just say "works best on newer versions of firefox/chrome/etc."
no I didin't
18:46
Lumage☆☆☆
yeah something like that
18:46
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
This new one looks like it'll have the same problems
18:46
Lumage☆☆☆
but with poop emotes
18:46
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
just use the poop unicode
18:46
slackerSnail
how hard would it be to turn off secure
18:46
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
easy; I'm doing it now
18:46
slackerSnail
oh
just say when
be sure to tell everyone
18:46
Sparky
Complete Darkness
18:47
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
you'll know when; the server will restart
18:47
slackerSnail
"your connection isn't secure anymore but at least it works" on the bug report thread or smth
18:47
Sparky
what even is the library?
18:47
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
A library is a bunch of code some dummy writes and then hands out so you don't have to write it yourself
You've already received your coins for this 1 hour period.
Please wait another 35 minutes
18:47
Sparky
um
18:48
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
But ofc they're just people, so there's bugs
18:48
Sparky
yes humans
18:48
slackerSnail
>some dummy
18:48
Sparky
silly humans
I was wondering about that part too
18:48
slackerSnail
I can see CJ is very frustrated right now
18:48
Sparky
what dummy did we get it from
but CJ isn't a dummy
18:48
slackerSnail
just imagine how happy you'll be when this works
18:48
ArcPh1r3
carlos don't listen to these fools
18:48
Sparky
>carlos
18:49
slackerSnail
I didn't call CJ a dummy
18:49
Sparky
>wanting to get banned again
I didn't say you did
18:49
Lumage☆☆☆
Uhh should I put the download sites for FF and Chrome
18:49
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
yes please
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18:49
Lumage☆☆☆
because no one knows how to use google
18:49
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
stop calling me carlos PLEASE
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18:49
ArcPh1r3
sorry lol
18:49
bluesun
will there be a seperate domain with wss for future testing? or does it only support one at a time
18:49
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
You think you're being funny, but right now it's just pissing me off
IDK the certificate only works on the main website
So it's super hard to test
18:50
bluesun
sorry for all the questions, just trying to help .-.
ah
18:50
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
I'm just not going to use it. What a waste. Thank you for the help
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18:51
slackerSnail
I mean, it's a dollar less a month and your users work
18:51
ArcPh1r3
hi
18:51
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
You don't pay per month
you pay per year. the cert is good until july of NEXT year
18:51
slackerSnail
oh
18:51
Sparky
sorrryyyy mistress
I love chex mix
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18:52
randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
uhhhh hm.
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18:53
ArcPh1r3
6:51 PM - SPARKYSTREAM: Sanchex mix
6:51 PM - SPARKYSTREAM: Carlos-san chex mix
18:53
bluesun
disconnects are just me, I'm hoping
18:53
ArcPh1r3
yes
18:53
slackerSnail
it's just you
18:53
Sparky
ArcPh1r3: lol carlos is mad
"We love you."
SPARKYSTREAM: Chex mix is so good
SPARKYSTREAM: I love it
18:54
bluesun
o3DS doesn't support websockets at all, according to websocket.org/echo.html
18:54
Lumage☆☆☆
Okay edited about
18:54
bluesun
and that's about the extent I can test
18:54
Sparky
Let's all die together is ok.
Magic mirror and what else are the other two?
18:54
slackerSnail
if this works you can thank my motivational speech later
18:54
Sparky
shia
18:55
Lumage☆☆☆
Keine
18:55
slackerSnail
(copythat)
18:55
Sparky
kiene?
Keine?
18:55
Lumage☆☆☆
Decoration Battle and then Magic Mirror
18:55
Sparky
Magic Mirror isn't very good
decoration battle is annoying
18:55
Lumage☆☆☆
great red eyes and short green hair
18:56
Sparky
wavy
18:56
Lumage☆☆☆
if you step on my flowers you better be dead
>where
18:56
Sparky
World of empty dreams is nice
18:56
Lumage☆☆☆
decoration battle?
18:56
Sparky
youtube.com/watch?v=oluGWBK8Bk8
yes
18:56
Lumage☆☆☆
EVERYONE likes decoration battle
18:56
Sparky
Um
The most popular song is Strawberry Crisis apparently
18:56
slackerSnail
a doot for bernie is a doot for calcium
18:56
Sparky
but I don't like Strawberry crisis :<
e.world of empty dreams becomes upbeat
Why wouldn't it stay nice
18:57
bluesun
a friend got some more Zelda codes now
18:57
Sparky
youtube.com/watch?v=BuuUNhHRsrk
BuuUN
18:57
bluesun
so they might be sending more
18:58
ArcPh1r3
when does someone make a code generator
18:58
Sparky
slice
18:58
Lumage☆☆☆
huh
18:58
bluesun
'tomorrow on the 16th SB is finally released'
System is shutting down in 5 seconds for maintenance...
18:58
Lumage☆☆☆
now google translate can get some of the styles
18:58
Sparky
maiden's cappuccino
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