<theweirdn8> hows pyra doign mah niggas?
<Ziz> theweirdn8: Are you drunk?
<theweirdn8> no
<theweirdn8> im asking whats new
<Ziz> Just check the news section in the board? 3th revision of the PCB and sometimes new prototypes for the case.
<theweirdn8> any word on operating system?
<Ziz> Debian. That is fix since ages.
<theweirdn8> The glorious Debian, eh?
<theweirdn8> cool, so no special recompile will be needed for Pyra?
<Ziz> Best choice imho.
<theweirdn8> Debian and Ubuntu are OP
<Ziz> Not for most applications in the debian repository
<theweirdn8> everything else is kinda like yea....
<dreamer> theweirdn8: OP?
<dreamer> too bad about the systemd move though :#
<Ziz> However for games and emulators it should still be optimized
<theweirdn8> OverPowered
-*- dreamer still not happy about the whole PoetteringOS thing
<theweirdn8> mkay
<dreamer> theweirdn8: that .. is not an acronym anybody has ever used
<theweirdn8> it is mainly used when talking about video game characters and classes
<dreamer> yea realize that in here OP means OpenPandora ?
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<dreamer> and on webforums it means Original Poster?
<Wally>  hallo again
<dreamer> just saying that maybe not use ambiguous acronyms :P
<dreamer> you should*
<Ziz> Operator was my firs thought
<theweirdn8> yes, it has at least 3 definitions
<theweirdn8> like many words
<theweirdn8> :D
<Wally> oh god it's theweirdn8
<theweirdn8> hey man nigga Wally
<Wally> .
<Wally> how's not working on your games going
<Wally> Thoughtso
<Wally> _wb_ I dunno about Franko
<Wally> Trashy has a point. he lies through the teeth to try and make do
<theweirdn8> Wally, you do know my dad died a week ago, right?
<Wally> so theweirdn8 ... What does this mean then "So on that note. I will try to fit in at least 3 hours of coding each day for the next two weeks.
<theweirdn8> have you ever planned a funeral before?
<theweirdn8> or one for a parent?
<Wally> I sympathise with you but I don't like it when people tell everyone something and never live up to it.
<Wally> theweirdn8 just tell your supporters.
<Wally> No I can imagine it is tough.
<theweirdn8> Wally, did you back FoF?
<Wally> No
<Wally> It's 3 years overdue.
<theweirdn8> did you pre-order underground throne?
<Wally> no
<theweirdn8> project cars=overdo
<Wally> What's that got to do with anything? None of these games are released.
<theweirdn8> Watchdogs=overdo
<theweirdn8> Fez=way overdo
<Wally> Now you know why I haven't backed any of your projects.
<theweirdn8> $1,000 budget=triangle of quality, time and money
<theweirdn8> less funds=higher dev cycle
<HolySmoke> what's FoF?
<HolySmoke> and, it's "overdue" ;)
<Wally> some game that theweirdn8 is "Supposibly" working on
<Ziz> Fields of Fresh
<Ziz> A agrocultur rpg about the fresh prince of bel ait
<Ziz> *air
<theweirdn8> you guys really know how to be trolls and worthless
<theweirdn8> i owe u all nothing
<theweirdn8> and im making my gamepencil engine 1st before finishing game
<Wally> theweirdn8 no. I am stating the truth
<theweirdn8> which means, i have to learn how to add pathfinding, since no one here wants to help
<theweirdn8> and my backers are okay with that
<theweirdn8> so why aren't you?
<HolySmoke> s/help/do it for me/
<theweirdn8> go give mighty9 a hard time for launching a 2nd funding campaign after raising all of that money
<Ziz> No, you don't. Neither do we. However we are annoyed, that you keep announcing stuff + beging for money in our community with no seeable result until now. :)
<theweirdn8> OP doesnt have best track record on delivery either
<theweirdn8> startups rarely do
<Wally> theweirdn8 for crying out loud you quit your day job on Dec 15 2013
-*- HamishTPB munches popcorn
<HolySmoke> difference is, this channel is called openpandora
<theweirdn8> My dad died
<theweirdn8> i do not need to explain myself
<Wally> theweirdn8 .. this was 7 months ago you quit your job
<Ziz> theweirdn8: I did! Do a breadth-first-search with minding every already visited tile. That should be enough
<theweirdn8> and the least of all to any of you
<theweirdn8> Where?
<Ziz> The last time you and I met here
<Ziz> I told you, google BFS.
<_wb_> I mentioned Dijkstra and told you where to find example code in the Microbes source code
<Ziz> And _wb_ mentioned dijkstra
<HamishTPB> Wally: good day, fine sir. I think toast soldiers and boiled eggs for brunch today - had a nice sleep in then went for a walk with Zeus
<Wally> yay HamishTPB :D
<Ziz> (Which is still OP imho :P)
<theweirdn8> Was unity3d made in 7 months?
<Wally> theweirdn8 .
<theweirdn8> game maker?
<theweirdn8> corona?
<Wally> No excuses.
<theweirdn8> construct?
<Wally> OP will surely deliver! Not.
<theweirdn8> I have tons of stress right now
<Ziz> theweirdn8: No, but maybe their concept papers. ;)
<theweirdn8> and im in no rush to do tons of work until AFTER the funeral
<Wally> theweirdn8 so tell your backers.
<_wb_> but honestly, if you're having difficulty with implementing something as basic as a shortest path algorithm, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to be a professional game coder
<Ziz> theweirdn8: FOr which I feel sorry for you, but you can't expect, that we o your work (for which you want money later) just because you have rare spare time...
<theweirdn8> Wally, go fall in a ditch in the middle of the night in a large forest
<Wally> theweirdn8...
<Wally> Be serious for a minute..
<Wally> Tell your backers what is up.
<Wally> instead of telling them "OH 3 HOURS A DAY"
<theweirdn8> I have already told them what is up
<theweirdn8> its an average
<theweirdn8> and Wally, just be quiet for a moment
<theweirdn8> no matter what i do, u have something to say
<theweirdn8> Wally, I do not solicit your advice
<theweirdn8> So do not give it
<Wally> .
<theweirdn8> And its a bit harder to code when im sharing the computer with 3 other people
<_wb_> first learn to code, then code, then try to sell your code if that's what you want to do
<theweirdn8> on a computer that randomly crashes
<_wb_> that's the proper order of things
<_wb_> not first sell, then code, then learn to code
<_wb_> you got it all reversed man
<theweirdn8> order already was violated, but now im minding my own business
<theweirdn8> _wb, thank you for your feedback
<theweirdn8> but pathfinding is not even needed for FoF, just for engine in general
<theweirdn8> for Underground Throne(RTS)
<theweirdn8> the engine can launch without it
<HamishTPB> Asking questions in a public channel *is* soliciting advice
<theweirdn8> but i prefer to launch with it so i can port over underground throne easier
<theweirdn8> Whenever I ask a question, it is not towards Wally
<HamishTPB> you can't ask publicly and then be selective when you are faced with harsh truths
<theweirdn8> Yes, one can
<Ziz> Back in my days there were tutorials for EVERYTHING IT related in the internet... Aren't they ANY Pathfinding tutorials?
<theweirdn8> that's okay. I am as of today dropping all games and apps support to the openpandora directly
<theweirdn8> and maybe gcw-zero later
<B-ZaR> wikipedia a*
<_wb_> do you have games and apps on the openpandora?
<theweirdn8> @Wally, let me go announce it to my backers
<Wally> theweirdn8 Look. I know you're not lying about your dad.
<Wally> I just want you to know.. that you need to focus on one thing at a time.
<Wally> but whatever.
<theweirdn8> im dropping all support for this community of crybabies and psycopathic users
<_wb_> dropping support for what?
<theweirdn8> I've been focusing on one thing. The Game Pencil engine
<Wally> _wb_ the OpenPandora apparently
<theweirdn8> the engine, runners and future games onto the system
<_wb_> support of what?
<Gryfelhase> *note to myself: inkscape with mouse and real keyboard is much more productive then on the pandora ;)
<theweirdn8> this community has been very unsupportive and i can use the time to dev for ouya instead
<_wb_> vaporware does not need support
<Wally> theweirdn8 I've told you once before that you need a proper business plan if this is going to work. Instead you yelled at me
<HamishTPB> Ziz: there are tutorials
<gsterling> theweirdn8: the community is very supportive to those who give back
<_wb_> vapor floats all by itself
<theweirdn8> I asked for help to simply do a test port of my tic tac toe game, no aide
<Wally> +1 to gsterling.
<theweirdn8> i do not even own a pandora and wanted help to do so
<theweirdn8> but none was given
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you're a world-class bullshit-spewing bellend who wants everyone else to do work for him while he begs for money and produces nothing, not even a proper plan.
<theweirdn8> so for the record you shall receive your "vaporware" in full
<HamishTPB> don't take your shortcomings out on other people
<theweirdn8> beg for money?!
<theweirdn8> $1,000 is not much for 2 games and an engine
<theweirdn8> are you kidding me?
<theweirdn8> tic tac toe is a free app...
<HamishTPB> where are the games?
<theweirdn8> i just wanted to test it, since it uses same sdl tech
<theweirdn8> Underground throne, demo uploaded
<theweirdn8> Fields of Fresh, tested at local conference
<Ziz> theweirdn8: So did you find a tester for tic tac toe?
<theweirdn8> right now im not focusing on games, but engine that it runs on
<theweirdn8> yes, it was downloaded many times from superlongname.com
<HamishTPB> then you push them aside and start another project yet people have paid for the original projects
<theweirdn8> for GCW0 users
<Ziz> theweirdn8: But?
<theweirdn8> all i wanted was for someone to simply help me test port to OP, everyone essentially said, "F you nate".
<theweirdn8> No one paid for anything
<HamishTPB> and you reveal your lack of knowledge and experience yet don't listen when people give you honest answers then try to frame everything as some sort of attack
<theweirdn8> Backers approved mission for long term and short term goals
<HamishTPB> take a long hard look at yourself and how you present yourself in public
<Ziz> theweirdn8: So your tic tac toe port run well?
<theweirdn8> Its been ported to zero for like  year and a half
<HamishTPB> people tried to help you theweirdn8 then when you didn't like the answers you accuse all of not helping and being bad to you
<theweirdn8> its on the gcw0 forums via dingooty
<theweirdn8> all answers were "Google it"
<theweirdn8> i know how to google
<theweirdn8> and read tutorials
<theweirdn8> all i wanted was for someone to help lower the burden; but all said, "screw that make it all urself"
<theweirdn8> and we want it asap
<HamishTPB> the answers were google (explicit terms)
<HamishTPB> not the same thing
<Wally> theweirdn8 you've got a million company names
<theweirdn8> One=PawByte
<Wally> Do yourself a favour and analyse, consolidate and do everything
<Ziz> So, what did you wanted? That someone builds your code? Or that someone tries your built code?
<Wally> tailware.com
<Wally> superlongname.com
<theweirdn8> TailWare=down(Former pawbyte name)
<theweirdn8> superlongname=distribution service
<Wally> that's exactly what i'm talking about
<Wally> consolidate
<theweirdn8> SLN does not produce games or apps, its a service
<Wally> focus on ONE thing
<Wally> Note your new ideas down.. And use them later
<theweirdn8> SLN has been turned over to our other web dev
<theweirdn8> only time i work on that site is to fix a reported bug
<Wally> do not action those new ideas until the other idea is completed
<theweirdn8> SLN=already used by devs, cant just drop support of site
<theweirdn8> Underground throne was originally never gonna see light of day
<theweirdn8> until DK Mobile was released, i couldnt hold it in anymore
<theweirdn8> there, all explained
<Ziz> theweirdn8: Please answer my questions. Did you want someone to build or to test?
<Wally> You're going to explode if you have more than one project
<theweirdn8> There is one project
<theweirdn8> The Game Pencil Engine
<theweirdn8> simply port/recompile
<theweirdn8> thats all that was needed
<theweirdn8> but my decision is already being posted
<Cloudef> I was ported from american
<_wb_> I love this one: http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/facebook-status-updates-funny-pictures-3.jpg
<theweirdn8> Underground Throne has not been worked on in ages. All efforts are being made towards engine/editor/runner
<theweirdn8> editor 1st, since runner=need slight mods only
<theweirdn8> but runner and editor both run on same "engine"
<Wally> lol _wb_
<Ziz> But, with no offense... If you already made a gcw version.... What prevents you from installing the pandora toolchain (really just running a script and waiting) and compile it the same way?
<HamishTPB> lol @ _wb_
<Wally> what Ziz SAID
<_wb_> theweirdn8: "Men and women, please get tested for cancer and make sure any elderly person you know has as well." -> you may want to replace that "has" at the end with "gets tested"
<HamishTPB> :)
<_wb_> now it sounds like you want me to somehow give cancer to an elderly person I know
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: who has agreed to you selling this part of game pencil "
<HamishTPB> OpenPandora Export
<HamishTPB> (Through OP Community Assistance)
<HamishTPB> "
<Wally> theweirdn8 relevant also. you keep changing.. the name of things. The name doesn't matter until you have something owrking ;)
<HamishTPB> you are advertising a service with a fee yet saying no-one here will help you
<HamishTPB> so who is the person or persons who has agreed to this?
<Wally> haha totally locked the worldcup thread
<Wally> inb4 a million people whinge about my joke
<HamishTPB> Wally: I just marked it as read and moved along :)
<HamishTPB> If I had known there was a Wally joke I might have looked though :p
<Wally> :D
<Wally> HamishTPB I just put the joke in now
<HamishTPB> I will look in a bit - I do all my forum stuff in one session
<HamishTPB> probably with food when I finally get to it
<Wally> ditto
<Wally> I bet Ziz will complain ;)
<theweirdn8> No one here is helping
<theweirdn8> thus i wont do anything
<theweirdn8> also, i dont have Linux
<theweirdn8> and this is a family pc that is dying
<theweirdn8> my laptop was stolen a week before my dad died
<Ziz> theweirdn8: I just tried! You didn't react...
<theweirdn8> im using an old hp slimeline machine
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: spend the backers money on a professional set-up - surely what they intended it for...
<theweirdn8> im sharing this computer
<theweirdn8> the project promised ports
<theweirdn8> did it not?
<Wally> The project generated another 10 ;)
<theweirdn8> if funds are spent to create a cross-platform engine, then engine wont be cancelled
<Ziz> VM? Furthermore you can't except that we do such things because you can't. >.< It is a shame that you notebook was stolen. But you need a new one anyway to stay professinal programmer
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you didn't answer my (perfectly reasonable and polite) question about the OP support
<HamishTPB> and a professional operation has insurance too
<theweirdn8> no one from OP is giving me support
<Wally> theweirdn8 how about going back to your old job?
<theweirdn8> this is supposed to be an OpenSource community, but all I see is no help.
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so why advertise it as a paid service to the world on your website?
<theweirdn8> no
<theweirdn8> i've spent my own money constantly on art alreasdy
<Wally> theweirdn8 we're not expected to drop everything because you quit your day job
<theweirdn8> im not doing that again
<theweirdn8> i will do as i do
<Ziz> Because you close your eyes and make stupid excuses if someone wants to help you
<theweirdn8> then, dont expect anything
<Wally> We all warned you earlier about quitting your job
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<theweirdn8> Me quiting my job has nothing to do with anything
<theweirdn8> im not asking for anything from the OP community anymore
<Wally> theweirdn8 it has everything to do with everything
<HamishTPB> if you think that then you are missing the point
<theweirdn8> NOTHING
<Wally> 1) you coudl have bought a new laptop by now
<Wally> 2) you wouldn't be complaining about not having money
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you will take away the link claiming OP community support for something YOU are charging for then?
<theweirdn8> 1)I will buy a new laptop in a few weeks(maybe one)
<theweirdn8> 2) im not complaining about that. im complaining about no one here wants to use their toolchain to recompile
<theweirdn8> OP community paid for nothign
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: the toolchain is freely available for you to compile
<_wb_> theweirdn8: what code do you want me to compile?
<theweirdn8> I do not have Linux on this computer
<theweirdn8> this is a family computer, they do not want to dualboot
<_wb_> point me to a tarball or whatever and I'll give it a try
<theweirdn8> and this computer is literaly dying
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: read what I say - YOU are charging for a service that includes a point of OP community support for YOUR product
<theweirdn8> its very outdated and occasionally has blue screens of death
<theweirdn8> thats okay, OP support is being dropped
<theweirdn8> i havent charged anyone
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you realise how childish and massively unproffesional you sound??
<HamishTPB> You are advertising it as a paid service though
<theweirdn8> and the plan WAS to make the OP port free if someone simply helped me make ports to it
<theweirdn8> but thats not gonna happen
<theweirdn8> OP will just disappear
<HamishTPB> ASK first, get support in place THEN advertise it
<theweirdn8> as stated, no need to worry about it
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<theweirdn8> OP community may be revisited in 2 years from now
<Cloudef> I think nobody just thinks it's not worthy enough to waste time porting on
<HamishTPB> you can't say other people will do something for you then moan about it if they can't/won't
<Wally> theweirdn8 tell us.. Simon Carter. where did he approve of this Undergrou...
<theweirdn8> via twitter
<theweirdn8> and brb, writing KS post
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: I keep finding similar stuff to your attitude here in other places...
<_wb_> theweirdn8: if you give me a nice tarball with a makefile and it compiles (e.g. on x86 linux), i'll compile it and package it into a PND for you, no problem
<HamishTPB> yet you are convinced everyone else is at fault, not you...
<HamishTPB> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/underground-throne-dungeon-conquering-rts.90139/#post-3176657
<HamishTPB> The OP Community support promise is still on the pawbyte/game-pencil site
<theweirdn8> site update coming soon
<theweirdn8> 1st kickstarter supporters
<_wb_> theweirdn8: are you ignoring me?
<HamishTPB> _wb_: waiting until you get angry so he can say you didn't try to help
<superroach-phone> This is a good point from wb.
<HamishTPB> hey superroach-phone .o/
<Wally> _wb_ is being a good lass :D
<Wally> hey Ziz hurry up and yell at me for locking the worldcup thread
<theweirdn8> _wb, decision already made
<HamishTPB> lol
<theweirdn8> there is no longer a need to port anything
<Wally> Ah.. theweirdn8 is an askhole
<theweirdn8> OP community support is dropped
<Ziz> Wally: THank you! Please feel free to delete any world cup related!
<Wally> \o/
<superroach-phone> Thats a new term wally.
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<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you are taking the implied support from this community off your site now then??
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<Wally> SuperRoach http://cover-ground.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Definition-Of-An-Askhole.jpg
<Ziz> Nooo He dropped the bass err Pandora support
<HamishTPB> Wally: LOLz
<SuperRoach> nice. :)
<Wally> o wow http://lab.facepunch.com/thread/1203948/post/37313055/
<theweirdn8> Yes, all OP community support will be dropped
<Wally> theweirdn8
<Wally> Good
<_wb_> theweirdn8: ok, well, if you change your mind, the offer still stands
<theweirdn8> and all implied support
<Wally> No worries
<Wally> askhole
<HamishTPB> Wally: the comments are priceless
<Wally> HamishTPB yeah. It's like 4chan
<_wb_> i'm not personally interested in farmer games or whatever (i'm not even really a gamer at all myself), but I don't mind helping out a bit if I can
<HamishTPB> _wb_: no-one here would mind helping out if we didn't get a load of fluff and attitude as well as right wing rants
<Wally> At least _wb_ can compile.. He's a uni prof
<Wally> Most Uni Profs I know cna't compile haha
<HamishTPB> anyone who I've seen come to IRC or the forums with genuine intent and sensible attitudes and questions has been helped
<HamishTPB> I think ED should make a complaint to the hosting company about the community being linked to something without permission. It is still there
<Wally> If someone is going to pay $15 for us to compile something on the Pandora and we don't get any return. (Free games) then.. whatever
<_wb_> Wally: i'm not a prof yet, i'm just a postdoc
<Wally> ah.
<Wally> Even better.
<_wb_> to get tenure I probably need to forget how to compile first :)
<HamishTPB> lol
<Wally> lol
<theweirdn8> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pawbyte/fields-of-fresh-epic-campaign-for-an-epic-rpg/posts/913382
<theweirdn8> the goal was to make the OP free originally
<HamishTPB> Underground Throne - Development paused until Agriduel(Fields of Fresh) is completed.
<theweirdn8> but no help was given, so it was made a premium port option instead
<Wally> haha
<HamishTPB> Agriduel(Fields of Fresh) - Development will continue once Game Pencil editor and engine are completed.
<Wally> k
<Wally> so.. theweirdn8  U MAD?
<HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you were advertising and intending to charge for something you knew you couldn't deliver???
<theweirdn8> the charge was to help pay for equipment
<theweirdn8> porting to OP was said to be as easy as porting to G0
<theweirdn8> GCW0*
<HamishTPB> You implied charging for OP support from the community
<HamishTPB> your site still does
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<theweirdn8> can i do ONE THING AT A TIME?
<HamishTPB> apparently NOT
<theweirdn8> how can you update kickstarter and still update a website at same time?
<HolySmoke> by having different people for pr and coding
<theweirdn8> Free staff?
<theweirdn8> $1,000 barely covered pixel art
<HolySmoke> if you're a charity, sure
<HolySmoke> you're not saying, kickstarter is your only source of income, are you?
<Wally> *COUGH&
<HamishTPB> .
<theweirdn8> for FoF
<HamishTPB> It's gone from the site now - TY theweirdn8
<theweirdn8> where do you think i've gotten money from?
<HamishTPB> suckers
<HolySmoke> ks is for funding, not payment
<theweirdn8> like 4 ppl pre-ordered underground throne
<HamishTPB> Wally: when is our next gaming session?
<Wally> 9001 years
<Wally> :P
<HamishTPB> ok
<Wally> probably friday night
<HamishTPB> I might know how to play hedgehog pink dude thing by then
<Wally> although there's a slight chance I won't be at gym tomorrow
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<SuperRoach> is that the worms
<HamishTPB> SuperRoach: apparently - never played that either
<HamishTPB> but certainly played the 80s games they are based on
<Wally> SuperRoach yeah same idea
<HamishTPB> also I think there was a Linux game similar with just 2 towers/turrets or similar
<HolySmoke> monkeys with bananas? :D
<HamishTPB> lol
<HamishTPB> not played that but it sounds like fun
<SuperRoach> oh ok
<HamishTPB> eggs and soldiers next before I drop down from hunger weakness
<HamishTPB> biab
<theweirdn8> Good by
<theweirdn8> bye*
<Ziz> Tiiimmmeee toooo.... say goodbyyyyeeee
<Wally> kbai
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